https://oversight.house.gov/hearing/unidentified-anomalous-phenomena-exposing-the-truth

Participants:

Witnesses

• Admiral Tim Gallet (Retired Navy, current CEO at Ocean STL Consulting)
• Lou Alzando (Former Defense Department official)
• Michael Shellenberger (Journalist and author)
• Michael Gold (Former NASA official)

Congress Members

• Chairman
• Mr. Garcia
• Mr. Grothman
• Mr. Burchett
• Mr. Moskowitz
• Mr. Higgins

Topics Discussed

1. Opening Statements and UAP Transparency Concerns
   • The hearing began with concerns about the secrecy and lack of transparency related to UAPs. Multiple members of Congress expressed the need for more open dialogue and greater public access to UAP information.
2. Admiral Tim Gallet’s Testimony:
   • Gallet shared an experience from January 2015 involving an email from the Fleet Command Operations Officer highlighting an urgent flight safety issue caused by unidentified objects during a naval exercise. This email and its attachments were mysteriously deleted from the system shortly after being sent, and the issue was never openly discussed again.
   • He believes the information was part of a classified special access program, shielded from regular military channels.
3. Lou Alzando’s Testimony:
   • Alzando emphasized that UAPs represent advanced technology not created by any known government. He suggested an ongoing secret arms race related to these technologies, funded without Congressional oversight.
   • He also described the retaliation against whistleblowers in the U.S. government who have attempted to reveal UAP-related information, detailing instances of harassment and threats to careers and lives.
4. Michael Shellenberger’s Testimony:
   • Shellenberger discussed a program known as “Immaculate Constellation,” described as a high-level, unrecognized special access program tasked with documenting UAPs. The program allegedly consolidates observations from various collection platforms, including military and civilian, across different environments (atmosphere, ocean).
   • He revealed that multiple sources confirmed the existence of high-quality, high-resolution videos and images of UAPs, which are allegedly withheld from public view.
5. Michael Gold’s Testimony:
   • Gold highlighted the stigma surrounding UAPs, especially within scientific circles, noting that it hinders proper investigation. He suggested NASA could play a key role in destigmatizing the subject and collecting valuable data.
   • He proposed utilizing NASA’s flight safety reporting systems to collect UAP data, suggesting it could help gather substantial civilian and commercial reports.

Important Transcripts

Admiral Gallaudet

1. Congressman Grothman:
   • Question: “At the previous UAP session, Navy Commander David Fraver discussed the Tic Tac object involved in 2004. Are you familiar with the incident of the Tic Tac incident?”
   • Gallaudet’s Response: “Yes, sir.”
   • Follow-Up by Grothman: “It is said there are more videos, documents, and reports related to this incident. Are you sure information regarding the Tik Tac incident should be available to all members of Congress? And in your expertise, what reason might the Department of Defense have for not releasing information that is more than 20 years old?”
   • Gallaudet’s Response: “Thank you, Congressman. I don’t think there’s a good reason to hide important information and data, especially as it relates to national security from Congress. What they say? I would speculate, sir, that they do not want to share such information because it reveals a weakness in our ability to monitor and protect our airspace.”​
2. Congressman Burchett:
   • Question: “Admiral Gallaudet, you mentioned in your opening statement an email you received from the operations officer of the Fleet Forces Command regarding an unidentified object that nearly collided with a U.S. military aircraft. Did anyone respond with knowledge of what object it was?”
   • Gallaudet’s Response: “Eh, I didn’t get a response, sir, whether the operation was canceled, the training was not canceled.”
   • Follow-Up by Burchett: “Why do you think the Fleet Forces Operations Command never discussed the incident again?”
   • Gallaudet’s Response: “Eh sir, I was speculating because I didn’t have an exchange with him, but I believe it was part of the special access program information and videos that we know now, and he realized he couldn’t share it publicly with the recipient of the email, and therefore the email was withdrawn from everyone’s account once again.”​
   • Question: “Why was the email about the UAP incident removed without further discussion?”
   • Gallaudet’s Response: “I believe it was due to its classification within a special access program, restricting its discussion even among senior military officials.”
3. Congressman Garcia:
   • Question: “Can you briefly discuss why it is important for civilian pilots to be able to report UAPs and why these legal protections are so important for national security?”
   • Gallaudet’s Response: “Yes, Congressman. Thank you, and I did invite Ryan Graves as my guest because I was on his advisory board for America for Aerospace Safety. And the legislation that you support and introduce, I also fully support, and I think it is important that more civilian pilots report, commercial pilots, so that we can better understand and learn and conduct research on UAPs and eliminate stigma so that more residents report what they observe. And this will only contribute to aviation safety when we have a better understanding of where these UAPs are, how they operate, at what frequency, and what level of capability.”
4. Unidentified Congressman:
   • Question: “Have you or anyone under your command had any direct experience with unidentified underwater objects or sonar data of unknown technology?”
   • Gallaudet’s Response: “Although I haven’t personally experienced such sightings, I was briefed by a witness on a submarine who observed sonar data of an object demonstrating movement and speed characteristics resembling advanced Russian torpedoes, showing technology unknown to the U.S.”

Elizondo

1. Congressman Burchett:
   • Question: “Mr. Elizondo, what was your last position in the federal government?”
   • Elizondo’s Response: “I was the Director of the Special Management Staff, managing the White House’s special access programs on behalf of the National Security Council.”
   • Follow-Up by Burchett: “How would you characterize UAPs?”
   • Elizondo’s Response: “They are a puzzle and a source of frustration, demonstrating technology that can outperform anything we have in our inventory. If this is hostile technology, this failure to address it surpasses the 9/11 intelligence failure by an order of magnitude.”
   • Additional Follow-Up: “Are there confidential Defense Department materials related to UAPs that could be disclosed to the public without compromising national security?”
   • Elizondo’s Response: “Yes, sir. While I would never advocate for disclosure that compromises Blue Force technology or capabilities, there is significant information on this topic that should be shared with the public and, most importantly, with members of Congress.”​
   • Question: “Are there creatures or biological entities recovered from crash sites?”
   • Elizondo’s Response: “The biological aspect is separate from my focus, but there have been longstanding reports suggesting biological entities have been retrieved along with crash materials. These reports span decades”
2. Congressman Moskowitz:
   • Question: “Mr. Elizondo, you mentioned earlier that the Pentagon’s Office of Public Affairs is the primary point of contact for UAP-related questions. Why are they involved?”
   • Elizondo’s Response: “The individual responsible has provided misleading information to the public through various media outlets to discredit this topic. I have personally been a victim of this disinformation. Documents show that misinformation was repeatedly spread.”​
   •  Question: “Did you sign a non-disclosure document that prevents you from discussing crash retrieval?”
   • Elizondo’s Response: “Yes, I signed such a document, and discussing this in detail requires a closed session.”
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3. Congressman Frost:
   • Question: “In your testimony, you described advanced technology monitoring sensitive military installations worldwide. If this technology isn’t government-made, is it a private company or a non-human intelligence?”
   • Elizondo’s Response: “It’s a complex issue, as we’re here to determine the origin. It may involve private companies or non-human intelligence.”
   • Follow-Up: “Have you read any classified UAP crash retrieval program documents?”
   • Elizondo’s Response: “I signed documents three years ago limiting my ability to discuss crash retrieval specifics publicly. My published book on this topic was thoroughly reviewed by the Department of Defense.”​
4. Congressman Grothman:
   • Question: “Can you elaborate on your written testimony that elements of the government are involved in a disinformation campaign about UAPs?”
   • Elizondo’s Response: “Earlier this year, I met with the Department of Defense’s Anomalous Resolution Office, expecting a briefing. Instead, it turned into an influence operation with efforts to obscure the topic.”​
5. Congressman Higgins
   • Question : “Mr. Alzando, could you summarize the types of UAP crafts you discussed in this report?”
   • Elizondo’s Response: “Certainly. The report includes descriptions of various shapes: spheres, balls, discs, oval shapes, tic-tacs, triangles, boomerangs, arrowheads, and irregular or organic shapes”
   • Question : “Has there ever been any communication with non-human life forms?”
   • Elizondo’s Response: “If you refer to verbal communication, no. However, there have been non-verbal interactions observed when unidentified objects enter U.S. airspace”​
   • Question: “Were biological materials collected? Is there any data on this?”
   • Elizondo’s Response: “Yes, reports indicate that biological material has been recovered, but my focus has primarily been on the physical aspects of these phenomena”
   • Question: “Are the biological effects related to UAP sightings included in the data you are aware of?”
   • Elizondo’s Response: “Yes, the data includes reports of various biological effects experienced by individuals, from discomfort to psychological effects.”
6. Congressman Garcia:
   • Question : “Do you think there is strong at UAPs are non-human intelligence?”
   • Elizondo’s Response: “We don’t know, but further investigation is essential to understand this phenomenon better” .
   • Question : “Has the U.S. government conducted a secret UAP accident recovery program?”
   • Elizondo’s Response: “Yes.”
   • Question: “Was the program designed to identify and reverse engineer alien aircraft?”
   • Elizondo’s Response: “Yes, but specifics can only be discussed in a closed session”​
   • Question: “If this technology is not made by any known government, do you suggest it might be created by non-human intelligence?”
   • Elizondo’s Response: “Yes, that is a significant possibility given the advanced nature of these technologies. It is not something attributed to any human manufacturer or government”​
7. Congressman Luna:
   • Question :  “Mr. Alzando, in your view, could some UAPs are piloted by non-human biological beings?”
   • Elizondo’s Response: “I think it’s safe to assume these are intelligently controlled. There are instances where they seem to anticipate our maneuvers, suggesting some kind of intelligence” .
   • Question: “Some believe these beings are interdimensional. Can you comment on that?”
   • Elizondo’s Response: “I am not qualified to speculate scientifically on their origin. However, the crafts exhibit instantaneous acceleration beyond human physical capacity, implying something we do not understand”
   • Question: “Do you agree it might involve a mind-body connection?”
   • Elizondo’s Response: “Given the precision and speed of their maneuvers, it suggests a level of control that could be beyond human capability, possibly
8. Chairman Mace :
   • Question: “Is there a secret UAP crash retrieval program?”
   • Elizondo’s Response: “Yes.”
9. Mr. Shellenberger:
   • Question :  “Do these phenomena cause biological effects on humans?”
   • Elizondo’s Response: “Yes, certain crafts have been reported to cause discomfort, psychological effects such as anxiety, and even physical sensations like warmth or coldness upon exposure”​ involving advanced interfaces or mind-body connections”
   • Question : “How can we encourage more whistleblowersrward about UAPs?”
   • Elizondo’s Response: “We must ensure protection for these individuals and maintain confidentiality to prevent backlash. I would even be willing to go to jail to protect a whistleblower’s identity” .

Shellenberger

1. Question by Mr. Higgins:
   • “Mr. Shellenberger, are you the author of the report presented today?”
   • Answer by Michael Shellenberger:
     • “No, I am not the author.”
2. Follow-up by Mr. Higgins:
   • “Do you know the author of the report?”
   • Answer by Michael Shellenberger:
     • “Yes, I know the author.”
3. Further Question by Mr. Higgins:
   • “Is the author a current or former U.S. government employee?”
   • Answer by Michael Shellenberger:
     • “I believe the author is a former U.S. government employee.”
4. Follow-up by Mr. Higgins:
   • “Where can one find the non-public version of the author’s report?”
   • Answer by Michael Shellenberger:
     • “I don’t know the answer. If it’s in the Department of Defense, I don’t know.”
5. Further Clarification by Mr. Higgins:
   • “You know the author and the sources mentioned in the report. Are these sources within the Department of Defense?”
   • Answer by Michael Shellenberger:
     • “I won’t say where my sources are from to protect their identities.”
6. Question by Mr. Frost :
   • “Mr. Shellenberger, what is the mission of the Immaculate Constellation program?”
   • Answer by Mr. Shellenberger:
     • “The mission of this unacknowledged Special Access Program is to document UAP phenomena, with some descriptions and visual evidence held by the U.S. military” .
7. Further Question by Mr. Frost:
   • “Mr. Shellenberger, could you clarify the mission of the program known as the ‘Immaculate Constellation’ and how it is funded?”
   • Answer by Michael Shellenberger:
     • “The mission of this unacknowledged Special Access Program is to document UAP phenomena. For funding specifics, more investigation into classified budgets would be required.”
8. Question on Data Scope by Mr. Higgins:
   • “Your article suggests that there is extensive visual and sensor data on UAP. Could you elaborate?”
   • Answer by Michael Shellenberger:
     • “There is a significant amount of high-resolution photos and videos held by U.S. military intelligence, including hundreds if not thousands of visuals, that have not been released to the public.”
9. Further Question on Data Verification by Mr. Frost:
   • “How do you assess the reliability of your sources?”
   • Answer by Michael Shellenberger:
     • “I have verified that my sources are credible, as they are current or former government officials.”
10. Follow-up by Ms. Boebert:
    • “Mr. Shellenberger, do you believe that excessive classification of information regarding UAPs is not in the public’s best interest?”
    • Answer by Michael Shellenberger:
      • “Yes, though I support necessary classification for national security, excessive classification is evident here.”
11. Question on Ocean UAPs by Ms. Boebert:
    • “Mr. Shellenberger, are there reports of UAPs in ocean environments, and has the Navy encountered unexplained phenomena in these areas?”
    • Answer by Michael Shellenberger:
      • “Yes, there are cases in the report of UAP activity in ocean environments, including documented instances of objects appearing to emerge from or submerge into the water.”
12. Question by Mr. Garcia:
    • “To all witnesses, do any part of the federal government has deliberately concealed evidence about UAPs from the public?”
    • Answer by Michael Shellenberger:
      • “Yes, 100%”.
13. Question by Mr. Grothman:
    • “Do you have specific evidence to support your claims about the Immaculate Constellation program?”
    • Answer by Michael Shellenberger:
      • “Yes, the report is based on new and previously unreleased information from credible sources, including former and current U.S. government officials.”

Gold

1. Question by Mr. Moskowitz:
   • “Mr. Gold, can you discuss the challenges around the stigma associated with UAP research?”
   • Answer by Mr. Gold:
     • “Certainly. The stigma attached to UAP research presents a significant barrier to scientific inquiry. Those involved in NASA’s UAP Independent Study Team, particularly those from academic backgrounds, have faced ridicule simply for being associated with the topic. The stigma can be so severe that just joining a NASA research team invites harsh responses.”
2. Follow-up by Mr. Moskowitz:
   • “Why do you believe the stigma is so persistent?”
   • Answer by Mr. Gold:
     • “In the history of science, breaking from the orthodox understanding is often challenging. For instance, when Galileo suggested that Earth revolved around the Sun, it was met with resistance. The more extraordinary the claims, the greater the skepticism they face. The same is true here with UAP studies.”
3. Further Question by Mr. Garcia:
   • “Do you believe the federal government overclassifies UAP information?”
   • Answer by Mr. Gold:
     • “Yes, I do believe that overclassification is an issue. If we are truly seeking to understand UAPs, transparency and science should guide our approach. Overclassification only serves to increase public mistrust and impedes scientific progress.”
4. Question by Mr. Garcia:
   • “Do you think if such technology exists, it could benefit humanity or pose a risk?”
   • Answer by Mr. Gold:
     • “Yes, it could certainly benefit humanity, especially by advancing our understanding of energy sources and potentially saving significant costs in the energy sector. However, it could also be a national security risk if other nations access it first.”
5. Question by Mr. Moskowitz :
   • “Mr. Gold, can you explain why there’s significant overclassification of UAP data?”
   • Answer by Mr. Gold:
     • “There’s often overclassification due to national security concerns, but transparency is crucial for public trust and scientific progress” .
6. Question by Chairman Mace:
   • “Mr. Gold, how does NASA plan to contribute to the UAP investigation?”
   • Answer by Mr. Gold:
     • “NASA can use its archives to develop algorithms for detecting anomalies and support UAP data collection. By creating a platform for civilian and commercial data, NASA could play a vital role in making the information accessible and open.”
7. Question by Mr. Grothman:
   • “Mr. Gold, does NASA possess relevant information that could assist in understanding UAPs?”
   • Answer by Mr. Gold:
     • “Yes, NASA’s data archives, if analyzed using modern AI and machine learning, could potentially reveal significant information on UAPs. We just need to systematically review this data” .
8. Question by Ms. Boebert :
   • “Mr. Gold, is there evidence of UAPs in ocean environments?”
   • Answer by Mr. Gold:
     • “Yes, reports include instances of UAPs emerging from or submerging into the water, which may indicate unknown phenomena under the ocean” .
9. Question by Mr. Garcia:
   • “To all witnesses, dve any part of the federal government has deliberately concealed evidence about UAPs from the public?”
   • Answer by Mr. Gold:
     • “Yes, 100%” .
10. Further Question by Mr. Garcia:
    • “Do you think there is strong at UAPs are non-human intelligence?”
    • Answer by Mr. Gold :
      • “We don’t know, but further investigation is essential to understand this phenomenon better” .

Summary

1. Existence of UAPs and Government Acknowledgment
   • Multiple witnesses, including former military officials, testified to the existence of Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAPs), commonly known as UFOs.
   • The U.S. government has reportedly been aware of UAP sightings for decades, with numerous reports indicating their existence.
2. Secret UAP Recovery and Reverse Engineering Programs
   • Lou Alzando confirmed that there are classified programs in place for the recovery of UAP crash materials.
   • These programs allegedly involve reverse engineering to understand the technology behind these unidentified crafts, some of which are speculated to be of non-human origin.
3. Potential Non-Human Intelligence
   • Witnesses, including Alzando, implied that the advanced technology of UAPs might not be created by any known human manufacturer or government.
   • There is a possibility that these technologies are of non-human intelligence, suggesting the involvement of extraterrestrial beings or interdimensional entities.
4. Biological Evidence and Alien Entities
   • Testimonies included claims of biological materials recovered from UAP crash sites, which may include non-human biological entities.
   • Reports of retrieving biological samples alongside crash debris have been part of classified programs spanning several decades.
5. Communication with Non-Human Life Forms
   • Lou Alzando mentioned that while there has been no verbal communication with non-human entities, there have been instances of non-verbal interactions when UAPs enter U.S. airspace, indicating intelligent control.
6. Characteristics and Behavior of UAPs
   • UAPs exhibit flight capabilities far beyond known human technology, including instantaneous acceleration, hypersonic speeds, and the ability to operate underwater.
   • These crafts can perform maneuvers that would generate G-forces impossible for human pilots to withstand, indicating advanced or unknown forms of propulsion and control.
7. Government Secrecy and Misinformation
   • Witnesses testified about a longstanding pattern of secrecy and misinformation by government agencies regarding UAP encounters.
   • There were claims that classified UAP programs have been withheld from Congress and the public, raising concerns about transparency and oversight.
8. Psychological and Physical Effects on Witnesses
   • Encounters with UAPs have reportedly caused psychological effects, including anxiety, insomnia, and feelings of being observed or monitored.
   • Physical effects on witnesses have included sensations of warmth, cold, and other unexplained physical responses when in close proximity to these unidentified crafts.
9. Speculation on the Origin of UAPs
   • There were discussions about whether these crafts could be of extraterrestrial origin, advanced unknown human technology, or even interdimensional phenomena.
   • The exact origin remains speculative, but the witnesses emphasized that the technology appears to be far beyond current human capabilities.